I actually find this sort of amusing. Many times it has been suggested that there should be combat arenas in Eve, areas protected by gates that filter by ship type and allow for free combat within. Every time its suggested the cry goes out:

"NO!!!!!! It will kill PvP and Eve will turn into WoW and die!"

Now it turns out that PvE content is being re-purposed for these exact arenas, and its removal is causing complaints!

+1 for areas allowing for frig only or cruiser and below only combat. Either the DED complexes, or just an empty area protected by a gate.

Honestly I don't think we will see any kind of dev's response here. If they wanted to respond they would do it already. Quite a few other threads from this forum got blue badges and they are about, well let's say not very heavy stuff. Judging from reactions of exploration people not only here but also in Missions & Complexes forum thread general crowd really sees no difference between plexes permacamped and farmed in highsec and use of them in lowsec. And I think devs are same kind full of blissful ignorance.

please, just figure something out. throwing a bone to the explorers is great. just dont jack us up in the process.

-ST

Hey guys, just dropping by to explain (as I did when Kane poked me on Twitter) that it's the start of the holiday season so a lot of developers are away or wrapping things up before they go away. Sorry that this isn't very satisfying (I can't really comment on the decision myself as I am not a designer and just got back from a long vacation myself so still getting up to speed) but I am sure someone will pick this up when they return in the New Year.

EDIT: By the way I appreciate that this thread has been going on since the 30th Nov. I don't have an answer for why it hasn't been picked up before, so let's just look forward to it getting addressed as soon as we are able to.

Thankyou for the response Goliath and Eterne.

I'll be checking this thread regularly waiting for the Dev in charge of this change to get back from holiday and come talk with us. Hopefully something constructive can come of it.

I'm fairly new at this, so bear with me, as I'm not grasping this at all.

* The 1-2/10 plexes are in low sec say, and start with an acc gate.
* Players find out they are good isk. are easy to do, and they generally put togheter a pve frig and go there.
* They warp there and find multiple destroyers/BC/BS and get alpha'd, ie a gatecamp.

Is the above incorrect? Cause it does not really give me a great incentive to do 2/10 ded's for isk, when I know that people that live near the ded's do in fact run them themselves and have ships that probably contain the nice shiny modules/ships that drop in those plexes to start with.

What stops people from camping 100km off the ded acc gate cloaked to just snipe ships that land on grid?

I must be missing something here, but it just seems to me like another choke point to just kill/alpha people at, rather then the "frig arena" you guys are making it out to be. I was told the same thing was happening at FW entry points where large fleets where killing anything landing on them.

I just see a lot of sabre pilots ranges.

I can still recall that how I was disappointed as a noob pilot, when entered three 2/10s and saw only broken structures or empty cans.

Good job CCP, more chances to newbies, let the 2/10 camping sabres/dramiels get to low sec


To liars who talking about PVP: there are lots of FW sites there and they are much better place for 1v1 or small gang pvps than low-sec 2/10s, enjoy it or try to make up another reason to pull the high-sec veteran farms back.

And we're still on holiday! Don't worry I haven't forgotten :)

It still seems obtuse to me that everyone is relying on this locations as informal "fight clubs". This was not what these locations were designed for, just because everyone has decided to use them this way is irrelevant.

We should be requesting CCP to think up a new mechanic that's better suited to this combat zone idea, and not complain when a change is made which impairs a meta-game. Everyone seems to want a "frigate combat arena" but seems too scared that when they say it out loud it makes it sound like they want a battleground like "other MMO's", and oh dear, we cant be like other MMO's, this is EVE !!!

Why not just add a new easy to scan down anomaly type - or just add a new wormhole type - that opens into pocket explorable space, penalizes high mass ships, and has similar explorable locations? You can add in high very rewards locations but with low probability of spawning to stop farming, and would allow fight between players normally hundred of jumps apart as well, ie far more players then just "the locals".

So who in MH is running in next CSM?

Annnd again with the missing of the entire point of this thread......

We will ship boxes of dog poop from around the world to CCP headquarters on a weekly basis.

However during this last release we went over some of the available data to look at how the 1/10 and 2/10 plexes were serving their various purposes. Our metrics made clear that they were not living up to their primary purpose as interesting pve content, with the majority of the completions performed by the same small group of experienced players, some of which were clearly farming the content. The decision was made that special casing these plexes from the rest of the DED system was no longer worth it, and that the content would serve its primary purpose much better and to a much wider variety of people as exploration content.

One idea that came up from the CSM discussion that I would like your opinions on (no promises at this stage): What would you guys think about the plexes being reintroduced with the same size restrictions but without the NPCs (or without the NPCs in the final room) as a simple location for size restricted pvp decoupled from the DED loot?

Awwww....you lost a static farmable resource.



Good!

The sooner they take belts out as well the better.

Move all the things into the exploration system.